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	<title>Comments on: Electron Gun + Polywell Results</title>
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		<title>By: Power Supply Upgrade &#171; Prometheus Fusion Perfection</title>
		<link>http://prometheusfusionperfection.com/2012/07/08/electron-gun-polywell-results/#comment-3196</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Power Supply Upgrade &#171; Prometheus Fusion Perfection]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2012 00:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the first trial, our langmuir probe told us that our electron beam intensity fluctuated periodically at 60 Hz [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the first trial, our langmuir probe told us that our electron beam intensity fluctuated periodically at 60 Hz [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lucas A. Morton</title>
		<link>http://prometheusfusionperfection.com/2012/07/08/electron-gun-polywell-results/#comment-3192</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lucas A. Morton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2012 01:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cool beans!  Nice to see you are getting closer to some physics!  I assume you&#039;ve tested to make sure it&#039;s not the HV power supply causing the goofy e-beam output.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool beans!  Nice to see you are getting closer to some physics!  I assume you&#8217;ve tested to make sure it&#8217;s not the HV power supply causing the goofy e-beam output.</p>
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		<title>By: Remy Dyer</title>
		<link>http://prometheusfusionperfection.com/2012/07/08/electron-gun-polywell-results/#comment-3182</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Remy Dyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2012 09:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you&#039;re right Steven. 

The way the magrid of a polywell is usually depicted in Bussard&#039;s descriptions has the coil containers as the &quot;accelerating anode&quot;. Ideally the coils and their power supply would all float at full electron drive positive potential.

For small electron drive voltage (not many kV) this could be done by having insulation between the coils and the magrid coil casings (which are not attached, here). That way the coils could actually be at any convenient voltage, whilst contained in well insulated containers at anode potential.

This trick becomes difficult for full scale, as you run out of space for the insulation at full voltage within the coil containers. Any insulation failure there blows up the machine, as the electron short circuits to the coil supply. Easier in this case to just float the whole coil current supply at full potential, and then you needn&#039;t worry about much insulation between the coils and the containers. 

For this rig, I&#039;d try putting a loose &quot;anode grid cage&quot; about each of the coils - could just be a loose winding about each toroid, and have this used as the accelerating anode as one connected piece. For decent vacuum and relatively short distance, it should hold off a fairly large voltage - these could be looped about the outside of the teflon coil formers, and won&#039;t need much support.

Firing the coil supply shouldn&#039;t induce much current in the anode - and it wouldn&#039;t matter much if it did - each winding need not actually form a circuit - it&#039;s only job is to act as a cage that can have positive voltage connected to it, without shorting to the magrid coils themselves.

Of course, rather than having a large positive voltage on the guts of the thing, and the container + guns grounded, one could instead have the guts at ground, and have a large negative voltage on the container + guns. This does tend to mean a lot of arcing from the vacuum chamber and pump to everything nearby, and so I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a particularly good idea - much better to have to deal with a HV+ cage with a coil supply in it (or a very well insulated transformer to drive the coil supply, or even a long insulated rod with a motor at one end and a generator at another...) than have the whole apparatus at deadly voltage. Either way there will be a need for high voltage standoffs through the vacuum chamber, and the effective electric field within the device itself is identical (as it has to be).

Still, As is this work so far is still pretty damn exciting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re right Steven. </p>
<p>The way the magrid of a polywell is usually depicted in Bussard&#8217;s descriptions has the coil containers as the &#8220;accelerating anode&#8221;. Ideally the coils and their power supply would all float at full electron drive positive potential.</p>
<p>For small electron drive voltage (not many kV) this could be done by having insulation between the coils and the magrid coil casings (which are not attached, here). That way the coils could actually be at any convenient voltage, whilst contained in well insulated containers at anode potential.</p>
<p>This trick becomes difficult for full scale, as you run out of space for the insulation at full voltage within the coil containers. Any insulation failure there blows up the machine, as the electron short circuits to the coil supply. Easier in this case to just float the whole coil current supply at full potential, and then you needn&#8217;t worry about much insulation between the coils and the containers. </p>
<p>For this rig, I&#8217;d try putting a loose &#8220;anode grid cage&#8221; about each of the coils &#8211; could just be a loose winding about each toroid, and have this used as the accelerating anode as one connected piece. For decent vacuum and relatively short distance, it should hold off a fairly large voltage &#8211; these could be looped about the outside of the teflon coil formers, and won&#8217;t need much support.</p>
<p>Firing the coil supply shouldn&#8217;t induce much current in the anode &#8211; and it wouldn&#8217;t matter much if it did &#8211; each winding need not actually form a circuit &#8211; it&#8217;s only job is to act as a cage that can have positive voltage connected to it, without shorting to the magrid coils themselves.</p>
<p>Of course, rather than having a large positive voltage on the guts of the thing, and the container + guns grounded, one could instead have the guts at ground, and have a large negative voltage on the container + guns. This does tend to mean a lot of arcing from the vacuum chamber and pump to everything nearby, and so I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a particularly good idea &#8211; much better to have to deal with a HV+ cage with a coil supply in it (or a very well insulated transformer to drive the coil supply, or even a long insulated rod with a motor at one end and a generator at another&#8230;) than have the whole apparatus at deadly voltage. Either way there will be a need for high voltage standoffs through the vacuum chamber, and the effective electric field within the device itself is identical (as it has to be).</p>
<p>Still, As is this work so far is still pretty damn exciting.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
		<link>http://prometheusfusionperfection.com/2012/07/08/electron-gun-polywell-results/#comment-3163</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steven]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 02:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On second thought, it may be because your magrid is at zero volts, the electrons are accelerated by your focus electrode but repelled or slow down as they aproach the magrid because it is almost at the same potential as the filament. You either have to float the filament AC drive at a negative DC voltage or your Capacitor discharge bank positive with respect to the filament so the electrons have enough energy to enter the magrid. Its easier to think of this as a valley with the filament at the top on one side, the focus electrode at the bottom of the valley and the magrid at the top on the other side. The electrons will roll down and up the other side and roll back again. You only see the negative pulses as the filament AC gives it just enough energy on half the cycle to enter the magrid. You have to either raise the filament or lower the magrid. Changing the focus voltage will not help.
Dustin]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On second thought, it may be because your magrid is at zero volts, the electrons are accelerated by your focus electrode but repelled or slow down as they aproach the magrid because it is almost at the same potential as the filament. You either have to float the filament AC drive at a negative DC voltage or your Capacitor discharge bank positive with respect to the filament so the electrons have enough energy to enter the magrid. Its easier to think of this as a valley with the filament at the top on one side, the focus electrode at the bottom of the valley and the magrid at the top on the other side. The electrons will roll down and up the other side and roll back again. You only see the negative pulses as the filament AC gives it just enough energy on half the cycle to enter the magrid. You have to either raise the filament or lower the magrid. Changing the focus voltage will not help.<br />
Dustin</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
		<link>http://prometheusfusionperfection.com/2012/07/08/electron-gun-polywell-results/#comment-3162</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steven]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 02:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The fact that you can see the filament AC suggests your accelerating electrode is zero volts. Valves have used 6.3v AC for years but the filament voltage polarity has little effect on the electron current unless the plate voltage is very low (like a valve diode)
Dustin]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that you can see the filament AC suggests your accelerating electrode is zero volts. Valves have used 6.3v AC for years but the filament voltage polarity has little effect on the electron current unless the plate voltage is very low (like a valve diode)<br />
Dustin</p>
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		<title>By: dbauer7890</title>
		<link>http://prometheusfusionperfection.com/2012/07/08/electron-gun-polywell-results/#comment-3160</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dbauer7890]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 16:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good thinking, if we pulsed the core that frequently, the coils would melt. We have to give it a little bit of time between each shot to cool, but we might try less frequent synchronized pulsing, one core pulse every 6000 cycles of the electron gun, perhaps. We&#039;ll definitely think about that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good thinking, if we pulsed the core that frequently, the coils would melt. We have to give it a little bit of time between each shot to cool, but we might try less frequent synchronized pulsing, one core pulse every 6000 cycles of the electron gun, perhaps. We&#8217;ll definitely think about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Remy Dyer</title>
		<link>http://prometheusfusionperfection.com/2012/07/08/electron-gun-polywell-results/#comment-3157</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Remy Dyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 03:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Awesome work! 

Especially that last one. I wonder if perhaps you had an arc?

Maybe it would be worth adding a photodetector inside the vacuum chamber to look for flashes of light coincident with arcing... BW always said there was maximum signal from the photodiode just as the PW went into WB mode....

Maybe leaving the 60 Hz in there was a stroke of serendipity! You would have been scanning through different electron beam energies and currents as you were also scanning through different magnetic field strengths... 

Sometimes with experimental work, running with something you *know* is &quot;slightly broken&quot; turns out not to be so broken after all...

I&#039;d consider trying to synchronize your cap bank discharge with the 60 Hz mains as Wayne Farmer suggests, prior to trying to suppress all the AC on the heater. Use a diac+triac with an adjustable phase delay - look up &quot;dimmer switch&quot; circuits. You can probably just use a little transformer to couple the triac&#039;s pulse out to trip your bank. That circuit will let you adjust the &quot;phase&quot; relatively easily as well.

Another thing you could do is, after changing the filament over to DC heating, split the accelerator anode so you have a &quot;gate&quot; ring closer to the cathode. You could then use this with a relatively small potential to control the electron beam current - with the accelerator potential to control the electron beam energy.

But before you change anything, just repeat - do another run with the same settings, and get some more traces recorded, maybe that last shot will just happen every now and then?

Might be worth automating the cap discharge, so you can just leave it running overnight - don&#039;t bother synchronizing it, just let it slowly perform the parametric sweeps for you. :) Good way to collect a lot of data to look at later.

Fantastic!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome work! </p>
<p>Especially that last one. I wonder if perhaps you had an arc?</p>
<p>Maybe it would be worth adding a photodetector inside the vacuum chamber to look for flashes of light coincident with arcing&#8230; BW always said there was maximum signal from the photodiode just as the PW went into WB mode&#8230;.</p>
<p>Maybe leaving the 60 Hz in there was a stroke of serendipity! You would have been scanning through different electron beam energies and currents as you were also scanning through different magnetic field strengths&#8230; </p>
<p>Sometimes with experimental work, running with something you *know* is &#8220;slightly broken&#8221; turns out not to be so broken after all&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d consider trying to synchronize your cap bank discharge with the 60 Hz mains as Wayne Farmer suggests, prior to trying to suppress all the AC on the heater. Use a diac+triac with an adjustable phase delay &#8211; look up &#8220;dimmer switch&#8221; circuits. You can probably just use a little transformer to couple the triac&#8217;s pulse out to trip your bank. That circuit will let you adjust the &#8220;phase&#8221; relatively easily as well.</p>
<p>Another thing you could do is, after changing the filament over to DC heating, split the accelerator anode so you have a &#8220;gate&#8221; ring closer to the cathode. You could then use this with a relatively small potential to control the electron beam current &#8211; with the accelerator potential to control the electron beam energy.</p>
<p>But before you change anything, just repeat &#8211; do another run with the same settings, and get some more traces recorded, maybe that last shot will just happen every now and then?</p>
<p>Might be worth automating the cap discharge, so you can just leave it running overnight &#8211; don&#8217;t bother synchronizing it, just let it slowly perform the parametric sweeps for you. :) Good way to collect a lot of data to look at later.</p>
<p>Fantastic!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://prometheusfusionperfection.com/2012/07/08/electron-gun-polywell-results/#comment-3156</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 01:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What kind of energy are you delivering to the electrons between the guns and any potential difference between the guns and magrid?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What kind of energy are you delivering to the electrons between the guns and any potential difference between the guns and magrid?</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Farmer</title>
		<link>http://prometheusfusionperfection.com/2012/07/08/electron-gun-polywell-results/#comment-3155</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wayne Farmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 00:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Correction:  Make that &quot;synchronize your core pulse&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction:  Make that &#8220;synchronize your core pulse&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Farmer</title>
		<link>http://prometheusfusionperfection.com/2012/07/08/electron-gun-polywell-results/#comment-3154</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wayne Farmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 00:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can you synchronize your electron beam triggering to the 60 Hz pulses, plus a phase offset?  Ideally you&#039;d already have an output from your oscilloscope that pulses when the oscilloscope is triggered.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you synchronize your electron beam triggering to the 60 Hz pulses, plus a phase offset?  Ideally you&#8217;d already have an output from your oscilloscope that pulses when the oscilloscope is triggered.</p>
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